I am going to attempt to explain something that I hope will be helpful to the suffering wives of lust addicts. I hope I don't mess it all up and offend everyone! I am not nearly as articulate as the majority of you awesome sisters seem to be, and I have more trouble forming my thoughts into lucid sentences and paragraphs. I can't speak for our sisters who struggle with pornography addiction and I don't know whether what I have to say will apply at all to them and their relationships, so I speak on behalf of the guys mostly.
It probably won't make any sense at all to you. And it shouldn't because it's insane. It may go against every feeling that you have ever had on the topic.
Let me be clear that I no longer feel the way that the men I am about to describe feel. I know better now because of what I have experienced in my own marriage and even more because of what I have learned from your blogs.
Your actively addicted spouse didn't or doesn't see his viewing of pornography as being unfaithful. That is why he is a little bit shocked at how severely you react when you find out about it. He knows it is wrong, yes. He knows it will make you unhappy if you know about it. That's one of the reasons why he works so hard to keep it hidden. But it doesn't quite FEEL like cheating to him. He may have even told himself "Well, at least I'm not cheating on my wife".
How could this possibly be? To nearly every woman that I've seen or heard from, it seems very much like a betrayal of the marital vows. It causes her to curl up in a ball of anguish and tears. And her husband watches, baffled.
Addicted men seem to feel that the fantasy associated with pornography and masturbation is a lot closer to just thinking about it than actually doing something about it. Like the difference between thinking horrible angry thoughts of how you are going to get even with someone who has offended you, and actually doing something horrible to that person; it feels like the former rather than the latter. I don't know if it's because of the testosterone coursing around in our veins, some evolutionary (if there is such a thing) difference, or just the early start to the masturbatory fantasy life of most males, but we don't really (at least initially)get the hurt that it causes our spouses.
Now, I have no way of proving my next hypothesis. I am not seeking to justify the sin, rationalize it, or minimize it, and I may be a complete idiot, but my suspicion is the following: If you were to reverse the roles, if it were the wife confessing the addiction, my guess is that the husband would be surprised, because he would have been sure that his wife was a bastion of virtue, he might begin to have some self esteem issues, or other questions, but he would most likely not be curl-up-in-a-ball devastated. He most likely would not see it as a very serious threat to the relationship. (Even if, knowing what we all now know about addiction, it actually WAS a serious threat.)
I do not mean to imply by this that husbands are more forgiving than wives. I certainly don't mean to imply that wives are wrong for feeling the way that they do. In fact, I feel that wives are absolutely right for feeling the way that they do. It is offered only as an observation, an opinion which you may take or leave as you wish. And if I'm right, I would further guess that it is because we would have been deluded by satan.
Looking back, I see now how satan (I don't capitalize his name, intentionally) uses this tactic to achieve his objectives, which are essentially to destroy the family and to cause misery.
What starts out as an innocent discovery of a bodily function progresses one small step at a time, from thoughts to images, to more and more graphic images, to flirtations to...this...to....that...to....the other thing...and onto...the affair or the prostitute or other perversion. By the time he realizes that he has moved well beyond a harmless fantasy, he feels trapped and hopeless, lost in a world of uncontrollable lust. By this time those flaxen cords have become the strong cords spoken of by Nephi.
Now how do I end this entry on a positive note? Where is the hope in all of this?
It starts here, in the book of Moses 6:55, in the Pearl of Great Price, where "the Lord spake unto Adam saying: Inasmuch as thy children are conceived in sin, even so, when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good."
At some point that addict is going to taste the bitter. It's going to be rammed down his throat until he's choking on it. In recovery, the term for that is "rock bottom". He then has a choice to make. He may act wisely, deciding that he'd like to try something sweeter, acknowledge his powerlessness and turn toward God, or he may "kick against the pricks". The Lord will never remove his agency.
If he elects to acknowledge his powerlessness and reach out to God and his Savior, there is a great deal of hope! We pray that that day will come before the swath of destruction is so long and wide that he loses his family and everything else of any real value. There is no sure way of knowing whether or not that will happen, or if it is destined to happen, when.
There may be clues, however. The Spirit may be whispering to you that the prospects are good.
Or there may be behaviors that are simply intolerable and demand immediate protective action. I have come to the conclusion that some relationships are just out and out rotten on nearly every level. I do not condemn those who have extricated themselves from such relationships. As addicts, we are NOT free to choose the consequences of our sins. From my experience so far in Sexaholics Anonymous, I have seen several instances in which a separation lead to a rock bottom, which lead to recovery. My present thinking, which is subject to revision, is that whatever a wife can do to get her husband to rock bottom speedily, may be the best way to stop the hemorrhaging. How to go about that? I can't say. Listen to the Spirit.
Continuing in Moses 6:57, "Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God..." and vs. 59, ...."even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory."
I'm in the midst of that cleansing process now. I'm counting on the blood of the Savior. The pain is not yet over, though things are really, really looking up!
I expect to not ever forget the sting of the hurt that I have caused or felt. I do however, envision a day where I will feel completely forgiven. I also expect to have a greater amount of empathy for my struggling brothers and sisters.
I know that I am an addict, and that addiction is "cunning, baffling, and powerful". I am striving to prepare myself against that day when I am confronted again with a strong temptation. I know that day will come. But if the past two months are any indication, I am also coming to know that I can live virtually my whole life without having to "go there" in my mind. That is giving me GREAT HOPE for myself and for others.
To all of you awesome folk out there: I LOVE YOU!!!! Peace, brothers and sisters! Have faith! Have hope! Have Love! Dan
This makes a lot of sense to me and it is something that I have surmised myself as well. Men and women see it differently - and the same sin in a woman would be looked at differently by a man. I've been trying to think of something that a woman could do that would more closely resemble what we wives feel and the one I have vaguely construed would be if I continually went to another man to somehow fill the role of protector and provider. I will have to think more specifically for a good example. But I think THAT role is one that men would feel threatened by. I'm not sure if I am making sense. I think part of the reason it affects women so much is because of the role they want to play as a wife/lover/soul mate/celestial companion and how they want their husbands to see and feel about them. I am not sure if I make sense b/c I am typing with one hand while feeding my baby and don't have time to formulate this better.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I love that you don't capitalize satan.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I enjoy reading things from the opposite view. I hope that things continue to go well for you and your wife as you do your recovery work. God will help you! I look forward to the day my husband reaches his own rock bottom. He is a good man and I believe he desires to be someone else - he's just not yet willing to do anything and everything it takes.
Thank you, MM. Yes, you make perfect sense! Let me assure you that to my way of thinking the addict's brain is all messed up. It isn't right, it's just the way that it often is. I think that when men finally make it a priority to protect and nurture their wives and children, rather than dehumanize and belittle them, then there is hope for joy, peace, love and amazing harmony and intimacy. So, the point is, it IS a big deal when we look at porn and act out. Thanks again for your comments and blog! They are always great!
ReplyDeleteThank you for this post Dan. I appreciate seeing things from the addicts perspective. Thankfully, my husband has become open to sharing these type of thoughts with me the further he gets into recovery.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it most definitely affects men and women differently. Woman, by nature, are very emotional creatures and this particular addiction hits at that very core. Men, while still emotional, typically don't tend to feel the depths of emotions that women do. I think it is that way for a purpose--we are told women/mothers are the nurturers. I have had similar thoughts as MM--I think my husband would react very differently if I went to another man as my provider and protector. But that really is neither here or there.
I, also, liked how you intentionally failed to captiallize satan's name!
Thanks again for your thoughts. My prayers are with you and you move forward in your recovery!
Thanks, hopefulwife Y! I guess this was one of those thinking-out-loud posts for me. Not really very uplifting, just kind of a sad observation. I hate the fact that we don't seem to recognize the real threat until satan has us by the throat! I too wish you and your husband a full and joyous recovery!
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts on this are a little different. I agree that men and women are different, and thank goodness.
ReplyDeleteNow, I'm an addict myself, and I know that I would not be so shocked if my husband confessed a porn addiction as other wives who are rightfully repulsed by porn. I can't WAIT till porn repulses me again. Anyway, I think I would be understanding of such a confession because I know how much this addiction sucks.
That said, I think women see it as cheating because women are able to see the people in pornography as PEOPLE. Addicts don't, because if we did, we couldn't stand it. If we saw them as daughters of parents just like us, we couldn't justify it as easily. If we saw the men and women as sons and daughters, as fathers and mothers, as human beings, it'd be so much more difficult for us to use them for our own pleasure.
Women who are out of addiction see this more clearly. They are able to see their addict husbands as staring at ANOTHER WOMEN/WOMEN, which women withhold nothing from their husband's view. And then it's adulterous because the images which are simply images to the addict, are human beings to the onlooker.
Of course it feels like adultery. It's not very different at all.
Tell me if this is too harsh. Please delete it if you think it is. Please remember that I am an addict too and I mean no judgment! I have seen the things you have seen, and I have refused to see the people as people. Just offering a different possible perspective. :)
I really like this perspective. Not that it is a "pretty" perspective, but it gives me more understanding. My husband is not in recovery and doesn't recognize any of this - still sometimes doesn't think porn is a big deal in some ways. This makes things a lot clearer. Thanks.
DeleteAlso, I wish you well as you continue your own personal recovery!
thank you, MM! I hope your husband will see it soon. God bless you for your hope!
Deletevery nice Erin
Deletelol I meant WOMAN/WOMEN. Hahaha so silly that I used a slash for the same word...
ReplyDeleteBrilliant, Erin! That's exactly right! See what I mean when I say I'm not as good at writing as the women are, or at presenting ideas. Of course! The wives see them as WOMEN, and the addict sees them as dots on a page; a fantasy. And of course I'm not offended by any comment. I love them!
ReplyDeleteI'm glad it wasn't too harsh!
DeleteThank you Dan for this post...it's great see a different perspective.
ReplyDeleteLike Hopeful wife Y, my husband is open to sharing about his addiction and why he does it. I love the transparency...stinks that it took him 12 years to get this far, but grateful he finally on the right path and we are talking more and more.
Another perspective... I grew up in a home where I was teased and belittled by two older brother. They practically raised me, while my parents worked and never once treated me like a daughter of God. I have lots of baggage from my childhood. My husband's addiction only made matters worse. My self-worth was so low, that I wanted to die.
I finally sought my own recovery this past year and have worked through a lot of my childhood baggage. I have found forgiveness and individual worth, that I never thought I would have.
I am finally at a point where I am beginning to see that the women my husband viewed are Daughters of God...many of which are probably broken, lost, confused, afraid, and abused. I couldn't see that before recovery. All I saw was trash, trying to win the heart of my husband. I thought any woman who dressed immodestly was out to turn my mans eyes away from me. I seriously hated any women who flaunted herself in his direction. It got to a point where the only way I thought I could win him back was to change the way I looked...act like them...dress immodest...turn a another man's eye. I got attention, but not always from him. I would tell him when another man noticed me and he never responded. I guess you could say for several months after each D-day, I would go through a cycle of emotions, then sweep them under a rug, and forget by trying to be what he was searching for. I hated it...it wasn't me, in reality I was addicted to being lusted after, because I felt unwanted. I knew it was wrong and put an end to it... it was false, counterfeit, a fantasy and a dangerous path.
It's all so twisted and messed up when you think about it. Very sad and lots of pain.
What hurt me the most was when I gave it my all to look my best and he'd ignore me...never saying a word about how I looked.That just drove me to my own addiction.
When my husband finally hit rock bottom, he did cry...lots of anger, pain, and Godly sorrow. It's odd to say, but it was a beautiful thing to see a grown man cry like a baby for maybe the 2nd time in our whole 14 years of marriage. Never before had he realized how much he hurt me then when I laid it out there for him after D-day and allowed him to read my blog.
He is now in real recovery, he's changed, it's like night and day...he's even started noticing me more and making an effort to tell me how I look, It was hard to believe at first, but I am in a place where he's earned that trust and I know he's is sincere.
If he slips again, which he could, he'll start over, but we'll be stronger as a couple and better equipped to get through it.
Sorry for the novel of a comment. Just needed to let some thoughts out:)
Stay strong and please continue to share your insights and inspiration!
I would agree - it is one of the hardest things to have them choose the other woman's picture over me.
DeleteWow, Hope Sparrow, what an amazing story of recovery! Thank you so much for sharing that. I'm hungry for stories of success. Your story sure helps remind me of how we all have baggage of different brands, size, shape, and color. And each of us may have different needs based on our personalities and history. My solutions might be a little different than yours, but every time someone shares I gain a bit of added perspective that could be useful to me at some point. One thing I know is that I love every person for the efforts they are making, both addict and spouse and I'm cheering for your success! Thanks again for the comment.
ReplyDeleteDan I like your post because it is honest. My experiences give me a slightly different twist but I also continue to learn when others share theirs. Thank you. Your example is and will continue to be a light to those ready to see. I will continue to check back and learn from you and the others that have so generously opened up with their comments. Best of thoughts!
ReplyDeleteThanks, Kandee! Best wishes for you as well.
DeleteDan. I have been thinking about your post and wanted to share a couple more thoughts. First I think what you have shared can and will help spouses. Bravo for keeping it real and sharing what you have experienced. The small twist that I mentioned above is this. I have witnessed that when all the dust settles, the behavior; the lust, pornography, or even an affair, is of course difficult for a spouse to navigate through BUT not necessarily the deepest reason for their despair. I have come to believe and research supports this finding, that the lack of emotional connectedness sometimes referred to as intimacy, is the true root of the problem. Not knowing, half truths, withdrawal and the other avoiding type behaviors is what I find throws a partner into a tale spin. The Holy Ghost is powerful and women I find have a special instinct that seems to go on high alert when they sense all is not well. I have seen the truth offer a depressed confused spouse immediate peace and a balance they were not sure would ever return. I share this in an effort to help those who are afraid to confess. You may have experienced this yourself. There is a spirit that will attend when an honest full confession is offered and that comfort seems to be for both the addict and their loving spouse. God is very good and He loves all of his children. That is what I know to be true. Hope is real. Thank you Dan.
ReplyDeleteThanks Kandee, for your thoughts! I find myself agreeing with you. I certainly hope I didn't come across as defending the pathological condition of the addict. I believe honesty is crucial and imperitive. Lack of intimacy stinks! You've given me an idea for my next blog post. My post pertained to the rationalizations of the addicted brain. Addicts live lives full of rationalizations, half truths and flat out lies, all poisonous. What I believe is that spouses are spiritually connected. I don't know how but they are. My resentments, angers and mood swings are percieved, and often instantly reflected. I think spouses of addicts can know, even more surely than if they are told, that things are not yet right. Of course it's good for the addict to be open and forthcoming. Sometimes when the addict is not ready to change at all, I just don't think an endless stream of reporting failure is necessary. I'll have to think about this some more. In the mean time, thanks for commenting, and for your posotive blog!
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your reply and the subtle points you are able to see. From my perspective you are doing well in your effort toward recovery. It takes courage to reach out and share your story. Life is messy. I have found true healing (the long lasting kind) happens when we begin to be comfortable in the truth of our own mess. Joy is real! Kandee
DeleteI've been thinking about this for a long time and this is what I've come up with. For your own sake, you need to stop projecting your own brand of addiction on to a whole group of men and women. Each addiction looks different even if it takes the same steps to stop. You are walking in dangerous territory when you try to speak for a group of people this large. It is true that some things about all addictions are the same but I see none in the post above. In step 12 it says you need to speak about your own experiences. You are trying to speak about everyone's but you are not everyone, you are just you and it needs to be just you. I see that you mention that you won't speak for any women in addiction but then later you go on to speak for women in addiction. Again, this is dangerous territory. Addiction is a selfish problem and so recovery needs to be a selfish solution and it doesn't stop being selfish until step 12 but even then, there are specific guidelines to follow. From your previous posts I know you are not even close to step 12. They have a name for it when recovery is not selfish. Its called codependency and that is an addiction all its own and it comes with a lot of pride. As a voice for the men and women in addiction that you are trying to speak for, please stop putting words in my mouth that just don't belong there. They are your words, not mine, and it needs to be clear that they are your words, not mine.
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DeleteHi Iam Anon. I think learning from others is a good thing. Dan obviously has a heart wanting to change. I have studied the research on addiction, I have helped spouses of those who struggle with addiction and I am pretty familiar with 12 step programs. My experience would suggest your conclusion that "Addiction is a selfish problem and so recovery needs to be a selfish solution" is not accurate. For those deep in the work addiction has a certain voice. A tone if you will. Accusing, blaming, defending, contempt, pride are addiction's red flags. Recognizing this can serve both the addict seeking recovery and/or one who is caught in codependency. Humility, sincerity, ability to be wrong, ability to feel, to be empathetic, to see others as real. These are healthy signs during steps of recovery. Pondering is good and what is kind of cool is your post invited those truly seeking recovery to pause and reflect. Having a heart that is willing to seek change is one of the greatest things I think we can do. Kandee
DeleteWow! Pretty harsh. Nevertheless, I see that you are right. I will henceforth try to do exactly that. Thank you for your comment!
ReplyDeleteUmm. And I'd like to apologize as well. Please forgive my arrogance.
ReplyDeleteI removed my previous comment,not sure if anyone read it, but I felt inspired to write a post on my blog in response to harsh comments. The thought occurred to me as I was listening to a MOTAB song. I'll post it tomorrow!
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate this post, it has got me thinking again. And I come back to the same place, the most pain was from my husband choosing to spend time with a computer and M instead of me. It has nothing to do with religion, or right or wrong, it has to do with how I feel when he chose it over me. And now that I have finally seen that I am finally able to try to move on with my life and stop waiting for him to notice the real woman in the room. - and maybe that was the key for us, I was always there, always available ALWAYS. Maybe the key was to not be, maybe it will save our marraige. But I'm not willing to be the other woman, I want to be the only woman, I think the part of women that is nurturing is the part hurt the most, we want to nurture our husbands and be nurtured by them, they provide. But in this addiction it is like watching them go out and eat junk food till they are sick, and have no room left in them to be nourished with good food. Or if they eat it anyway they don't appreciate it, they aren't hungry, it doesn't taste as good to them becaus they are already full of junk food.
ReplyDeleteI had an experience going to "big Juds" as a kid, it is a full lb hamburger, it tasted fabulous! If ever in idaho or Utah you should look it up :) but after about the first 1/4 you couldn't taste it anymore, it tasted blah. That is the image that comes to my mind, there was no room for our intimacy to taste good to him. And I could see the dissatisfaction in his eyes, and it didn't matter what I did differently to make it taste better. And I tried EVERYTHING. He had already eaten his fill. It tasted blah.
Hi, Letsy! The junk food analogy is perfect! That's exactly what I felt like many times. Not good for you! Oh boy, so many regrets. The wierd thing is I don't have any "junk food" cravings. I'm plum sick of it. So I'm keeping my guard up. That's why I know I have to go to meetings, work the steps, and make good recovery friends. Thanks so much for your support!
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